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Post December 12th, 2013, 6:17 am

Posts: 847
Location: Utah
Does IR not have a charity option?
How about IG charity of gala project.. which seems like a charity for themselves that i have to pay money for the game later?
Also, with Groupees it bothers me that I have to opt-in to charity, rather than opt-out. Also, it seems like the charities are things like 'ashley's hurt leg' and stuff like that. I'm cool with that, but how do we know those are valid?

I mean, I place the same scrutiny on IGS. I just seem to prefer how IndieGameStand does charity. Not saying they are the best, just looking for other's perspectives.

Anybody have thoughts on charities and these types of sites? Do people not really care about that?

https://indiegamestand.com/charity.php

Post December 12th, 2013, 10:15 am

Posts: 273
IR pre-dates the fad of having lots of charities that Humble mainly
started / made visible. They do have charity bundles but did more
of them in the past though.

For Groupees I would have more of an issue with opt-out than opt-in
as they do now as they have a knack of picking some funky ones thus
far. In 90% of the cases since I've known Groupees, I would not want
to support the charity of their choice, to be fair.

Charities are too specific and too localized as bundlers use them.

I just heard that over the course of 1.5 weeks this nation donated 35m
Euros (rounded down that'd be about 48m USD) to the relief fund on top
of any actual aid and goods provided.

These same people wouldn't give a crap about Child's Play which for about
90% of the funds brings toys to US children in US hospitals only or the
Mercy Corps which is aimed towards former US military. Same for the American
Red Cross e.g.

Charities are mainly US-based while US donations are far behind those of
similar countries for the similar/same charity.
Red Nose day e.g is about 75m GBP(122m USD) in a year,
the US donated a grand total of a mere 50m since 1986 to the US version.

First World donations should always be optional but there's hardly any
actual relief aid charities apart from the recent wave of full-on charity
bundles from just about ever bundler.

TDLR; Disagree. Leave donations optional but widen the scope to global charity.

Post December 12th, 2013, 11:39 am

Posts: 564
Location: Wilmo Delaware! Represent

The other thing that sucks about some charities is that none of the money actually goes to the cause. I just found this site the other day: http://www.tampabay.com/americas-worst-charities/

It's pretty sad that IGS is giving away a higher percentage than some of the ones above.

Post December 12th, 2013, 11:59 am

Posts: 273
mgnade wrote:
The other thing that sucks about some charities is that none of the money actually goes to the cause.


That goes for both large and small charities. WWF, Red Cross
and several others have been found to be lacking there.

Then you have the tiny things such as Groupees plucks up
where 1 was a proven scam to pay for a sex-change, another
stated 'buying coffee for family at Starbucks' as a goal on the
charity page to name but two examples that come to mind..

Post December 13th, 2013, 9:31 am

Posts: 847
Location: Utah
Duck wrote:
Then you have the tiny things such as Groupees plucks up
where 1 was a proven scam to pay for a sex-change, another
stated 'buying coffee for family at Starbucks' as a goal on the
charity page to name but two examples that come to mind..

Devs get to choose their charity on IGS, but it has all seemed legit so far. I had no idea things had gone so awry for other sites, although I suspect they were one-offs.

Post December 13th, 2013, 10:50 am

Posts: 273
PlayerReview wrote:
Devs get to choose their charity on IGS, but it has all seemed legit so far. I had no idea things had gone so awry for other sites, although I suspect they were one-offs.
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Yea the IGS way is decent at the least. Support the dev AND their chosen cause, that's something most can live with I think.

Groupees had a knack of plucking charities from places like IndieGogo of all places. Not sure how it is now as those two
were the drops for me to never sponsor another of their choice ever again. If any old sobby story can be your charity, sorry
but I'll pass (yes, that sounded blunt but that's what it seemed to amount to.)

Post December 13th, 2013, 11:17 am

Posts: 564
Location: Wilmo Delaware! Represent

Yeah, our requirements for Charity selection have been:

1. We can verify that it's a legit charity not some scam
2. They accept paypal or US credit card donations

Duck, I agree with you that big charities like the Red Cross and WWF have some large overhead (specifically I think Red Cross CEO makes $5 million or something ridiculous) but I think they are still doing good and much better percentage wise then that list because they are so big - they bring in a lot, spend a lot, but also give a lot. Ultimately though, it's up to the developer and their personal taste.

As a side note, here are some of the favorite charities that I have come into contact with because of IGS:

- Girlstart
- Against Malaria Foundation (talk about efficiency!)
- Trevor Project
- Reading is Fundamental

Post December 14th, 2013, 4:59 am

Posts: 273
Most of those organizations are still very localized, read: almost exclusively US-only.

Of the four you named, only 1 does actual work outside the US. Happens to also be
the only non-US charity on the list.

Even things like the US Red Cross are aimed towards the US, not the larger-scale
stuff in the 3rd World. It seems almost a trend where if it's US-based, you can
assume the money never passes the borders. It's wonderful that there's so many
small-scale projects in the US but despite what seems the trend for charities,
it's not the only nation in the world and not by any stretch the most in need
(though it is the most needy even if it doesn't show it in own donations).

Post December 14th, 2013, 9:25 am

Posts: 847
Location: Utah
From what I am always hearing, charities that benefit other countries seem to have issues with governments. I'm sure it isn't the case with many, but some countries governments tend to be a bit corrupt. Which is a shame, since it seems to be those countries that the people most suffer. I'm guessing US based possibly has more accountability than some based in other countries. However, you'll have good and bad regardless of where you are.

IGS has had plenty of foreign devs and we've seen a decent amount of foreign based charities. I'm a big fan of charity for helping prevent/treat malaria... seems that if the governments allow, the pennies can stretch real far. I must also state the sad fact that some of these non-profit charities are just evading taxes (none that I've knowingly seen on IGS). The best form of charity is giving your time and not your money. Unfortunately, we don't all have the time to give for that option, so we hope our money gets to the intended recipients.

On IGS, you can nowadays opt-out of charity should you disagree with a cause or otherwise don't want to support the charity option. I really like the way it is set up here. There has also been a transparency where IGS sometimes notes the times and amounts of the checks they are cutting for charity. I've always enjoyed IGS' transparency, where with some bundles you have no clue when or if your money is even going to the charity or dev. I guess it is just nice to have a site and staff I can trust.

It may be a business, but these guys seem to really enjoy supporting indie devs and communities.

Post December 14th, 2013, 10:09 am

Posts: 273
It rather depends on the country and organization really.
The actual truly nasty areas out there are subject to warlords
and them kind of nasties more than governments; Red Cross
doesn't get even half their stuff through while other have no issue
despite being smaller.

US-based may very well have a form of more accountability but it does
not change that that it's just rather selfish and self-centred of giving
only US-based options as most do. Especially as Americans do not really
donate anything remotely worthwhile compared even to their own larger
scale charities.
If the US (charities) want to go ahead and officially name the nation a
3rd world country, go ahead. Could we help people actually survive first
maybe in the world beyond the front lawn instead of making sure all the
whacky goals I see floating around at times being met?

Humble and IGS are, as far as I know, the only bundlers that give individual
developers/distros the option to pick their own charity. Though Humble does
not for combined packages.
That only IGS really has other-than-major-charities i don't think I should blame
Humble for though.

Post December 14th, 2013, 8:27 pm

Posts: 150
mgnade wrote:
The other thing that sucks about some charities is that none of the money actually goes to the cause. I just found this site the other day: http://www.tampabay.com/americas-worst-charities/

It's pretty sad that IGS is giving away a higher percentage than some of the ones above.

I got a call from "American Breast Cancer Foundation" (#4 on the list) just last night. I told them I didn't have breast cancer and didn't want any and hung up.

Post December 15th, 2013, 4:32 am

Posts: 273
oogla wrote:
I got a call from "American Breast Cancer Foundation" (#4 on the list) just last night. I told them I didn't have breast cancer and didn't want any and hung up.


I like your style :twisted: (knowing call centres, you're probably a hero there now :P)


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